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Serious-post: Good leftist places for fact-checking anti-Israel claims? (CW: bad)

Submitted by twovests in just_post

Some notes: The majority of atrocities and disinformation coming from this war are coming from Israel. They're killing journalists in an area that already has such limited visibility. I'm not trying to "both sides" a conflict which is wildly asymmetrical, with Israel committing genocide.

That said, I come across some pretty wild claims sometimes, of cartoonishly-evil atrocities Israel is committing, and I have difficulty checking the facts.

The most recent one are claims that Israel is broadcasting the sounds of crying babies to lure Palestinian's in to kill them with drones. I can trace this back to one or two sources which I have never heard of and can't find any information on.

To the best of my understanding, this was reported to Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor who can't corroborate the claims.

The only other information I can find are from the most extreme-right Zionist sources, the ones which brand people and organizations as anti-semites or pro-Hamas so broadly that they're practically useless for scouring out misinformation.

Likewise, this is the kind of thing that I see almost exclusviely spreading on Twitter, so it's very believable to be false.

Are there any good communities or places to do fact-check deep-dives on topics like these? I figure jstpst isn't the funnest place to intermix shitposts with "I tried fact checking the most atrocious thing you can imagine"

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devtesla wrote

I've looked at so many verified stories from the war, of Israel doing things like massacring people waiting for food, directly bombing aid workers, creating a system called "daddy's home" to take out men returning home to their families, and on and on. So I'm not really interested in if they're using crying baby noises or not. It doesn't change the moral calculus at all.

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twovests wrote

Have heard of many such things but "Daddy's Home" is a new one. Jesus.

And here, I'm basically agreed. Short of an epistemological nightmare where I find out Plato's cave is real and I'm in it, the numbers are fantastically simple that Israel is evil and its actions are not justified.

That said, I am still interested in Believing Things Are Correct and being skeptical. It's like a hobby perhaps

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flabberghaster wrote

I agree but I also think it's important to not fell for the fake stuff people make up. If nothing else because we should know what's true, and if you share something fake like that it makes it easier to smear us.

We don't need to be Alex Jonesing it, there's plenty of real evil in this world.